tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8065675376033067166.post5183597138021025720..comments2023-10-12T00:19:47.943-07:00Comments on Srimad Bhagawat Geeta: BG5.20TG Saranathanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17872280975040656824noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8065675376033067166.post-49086459486378715512007-12-18T17:46:00.000-08:002007-12-18T17:46:00.000-08:00Dear Chitiya,Thanks for such clear explanation of ...Dear Chitiya,<BR/>Thanks for such clear explanation of the identity of Atman and its independence w.r.t shareeram. It was indeed interesting and enlightening. But what is still not convincing me is, its not the shareeram that does punyam or papam. Its the Atman that does it. When we are clear on that, then acquiring our kith and kin and sat-sangathi is related to the karma of atman. Saying this I would also like to add, Alwars like Periyazhwar and some other azhwar ( sorry for my ignorance in this subject) have said in their pasurams what "punyam" did you do Yashoda to have krishna as your son. Also one of the azhwars has personified himself as Devaki and has bemoaned his(her) fate of giving birth to the Supreme and not having enjoyed His leelas. Aren't these evidence enough that the deeds of Aatman do affect kith and kins? Also, if I am not mistaken, Hiranya Kashipu was a Dwarapalaka and so was Hiranyakshan. Then, it was his (atma's) karma that got him a son like Prahlada.<BR/>Similarly by the instruction of Prajapati Kardama, Devahuthi did tapasya for years to beget Kapila as her son. <BR/>Kindly elucidate on this matter more. My aim is not to argue or contradict what you or bhagavat Gita or what the elders have said. Its just a doubt that I want to clarify with my limited knowledge.<BR/>Thank you once again chitiya<BR/>Adiyen Dasi<BR/>SowmyaRanjanihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07168348755895956551noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8065675376033067166.post-44401768354740266672007-12-18T17:44:00.000-08:002007-12-18T17:44:00.000-08:00Dear Chitiya,Thanks for such clear explanation of ...Dear Chitiya,<BR/>Thanks for such clear explanation of the identity of Atman and its independence w.r.t shareeram. It was indeed interesting and enlightening. But what is still not convincing me is, its not the shareeram that does punyam or papam. Its the Atman that does it. When we are clear on that, then acquiring our kith and kin and sat-sangathi is related to the karma of atman. Saying this I would also like to add, Alwars like Periyazhwar and some other azhwar ( sorry for my ignorance in this subject) have said in their pasurams what "punyam" did you do Yashoda to have krishna as your son. Also one of the azhwars has personified himself as Devaki and has bemoaned his(her) fate of giving birth to the Supreme and not having enjoyed His leelas. Aren't these evidence enough that the deeds of Aatman do affect kith and kins? Also, if I am not mistaken, Hiranya Kashipu was a Dwarapalaka and so was Hiranyakshan. Then, it was his (atma's) karma that got him a son like Prahlada.<BR/>Similarly by the instruction of Prajapati Kardama, Devahuthi did tapasya for years to beget Kapila as her son. <BR/>Kindly elucidate on this matter more. My aim is not to argue or contradict what you or bhagavat Gita or what the elders have said. Its just a doubt that I want to clarify with my limited knowledge.<BR/>Thank you once again chitiya<BR/>Adiyen Dasi<BR/>SowmyaRanjanihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07168348755895956551noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8065675376033067166.post-90563866001999053672007-12-16T08:05:00.000-08:002007-12-16T08:05:00.000-08:00AnswerDear Sowmya ,Sampath Chitiya here from T.Nag...Answer<BR/><BR/>Dear Sowmya ,<BR/><BR/>Sampath Chitiya here from T.Nagar. I read your query , to your dad on the Translation of BG.5.16 ( 6-12-2007 ) .<BR/><BR/>With the permission of Sri.TGS , I thought I would pen you my opinion on the same. I am sure U would find the explanations quite helpful and meaningful . In my opinion , I feel you had not fully understood the ‘thathvartham’ of the sloka and hence your doubt. <BR/><BR/>One should understand the greatness of Atma. Atma is ‘ Gjana Mayan ’ ,<BR/> ‘ Aaananda Mayan ’ and ‘ Nithya Mayan ’. Even though a ‘ sareeram ’is required for the Atma to carry out its ‘ poorva karmas ’, Atma can never be linked to ‘ sareeram ’. They are different . In this mundane world , we all think ‘sareeram ’and Atma are one and the same , basically due to our ‘avidhya’. Unless one understands the difference between the two by comparing its attributes , the ‘ Maya ’ would continue. Because of this and our poorva vasanas , we get our karmas and the associated ‘punya’and ‘paapa’ . <BR/><BR/>For Atma there are no friends or enemies or relations. All these are only for ‘sareeram ’. That is why the writings say that Atma is not connected to ‘kith’ and ‘kin’. <BR/>The notion that till about 7 years of age or till the upanayanam of a child the karma of parents will affect child’s life cannot be considered as correct , since each Atma is different and Atma has the ability to enter any sareeram at the birth of sareeram. The karma phalanx of the respective child , based on its poorva Karma alone can affect the life of that child. <BR/><BR/>Tondaradipodi Alwar in his Thirumalai ( paasuram 11) describes that all the jivas in this mundane world are ‘ karuvile thiruviladaar’ , meaning that they are not blessed souls by the Almighty , at the time of conception . <BR/><BR/>That is why , during pregency time , our forefathers used to tell , that the parents should always do karmas in line with the principles laid down in Vedas and Sastras , sothat the child in the womb get that Bhagavad blessings. The kith , kin and friends can wipe off their paapa and punya only with the help of Divya Dampathi Kataaksham , as in the case of Prahalad. <BR/><BR/>If your contention that parents’ karma have to affect the child’s life , ‘ Hiranya kasipu’s sins should have affected Prahlad. On the contrary Prahlad was blessed very well by the kataksham of Lord Nrisimha. Same applies to your second question as well. <BR/><BR/>I am sure U are now better placed to go ahead with other slokas. <BR/><BR/>Sarve jana Sukhino Bhavanthu. <BR/> <BR/>G.Sampath.G.Sampathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09981164898166852199noreply@blogger.com